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A ministry of Odyssey Haven offering Resources, Coaching & Counseling for Ministry Leaders.

10/07/2025

Happy summer! We are excited to announce two new episodes this month for your summer listening:

#45: Resenting Easter | A Shop Talk About Ministry Holidays & Events
Did that get your attention? No, this episode isn’t an anti-easter manifesto. It’s a roundtable discussion on the highs and lows, pros and cons and practical approaches to the ministry calendar–specifically the big holidays and ministry events. Let’s talk about the pain points that come along with these, and how we can experience fruitfulness in events without hating it. (releases 7/15)

#46: The Power of Lament | A Soul Check feat. BrianJames McMahon
Ministry leaders will experience levels of pain, grief and relational struggle that most others will not–it just comes with the territory. What if instead of powering through, withdrawing from or finding ways to cope, we just took time to lament it instead? In this Soul Check episode, our friend BrianJames McMahon returns to unpack how powerful lament can be in our ministry journeys. (releases 7/30)

16/06/2025

Have you ever said, “I am going to make this work, or die trying”? According to Pastors Sal & Krystal Bono, that’s probably the worst thing you can say within ministry. In this episode, the Bonos get candid about the pain from messy transitions, the death of a ministry dream and even being houseless for a season. But through all of these humbling experiences, Sal & Krystal also share the hope they have found to keep going by realizing, “there’s grace for that.”

Also, the episode’s final score is Sal 1 - Krystal 1000. Episode available now at withouthatingit.com or wherever you get your podcasts!

15/05/2025

If God chooses the foolish things to shame the wise, then what does that say about me? According to Pastor Jordan Wall, it’s actually pretty simple. In this episode Jordan shares how his story formed a simple approach to his ministry, regardless of the assignment, and how that shifts the fluctuations of ministry from targets to dashboards. Simple.

Episode Now Available at WithoutHatingIt.com or wherever you get your podcasts!

15/04/2025

Statistically, the number of ministry leaders struggling with their identity, calling and confidence in ministry is growing, and they are feeling more and more isolated.

In this episode, Pastor and Executive Director Johnny McCallister unpacks how ministry leaders need each other more than ever before. Johnny shares keys for resiliency learned from over 30 years of ministry, tools for ministering to others, and what it looks like to allow yourself to be ministered to as well.

We also discover that Johnny & Chad have the same sandwich order, which of course means they’re now best friends–Enjoy this one, available now at WithoutHatingIt.com or wherever you get your podcasts!

17/03/2025

How does knowing who you’ve been created to be as a leader directly impact your effectiveness in discipling others? Pastor and denominational leader, Beth Hackbarth, sits down for a conversation with us to share how her own journey of self-discovery opened up a new level for her in leading others. In this episode, we also talk about what the long game of developing people and leaders in our care looks like, and the impacts of being less loosy-goosy and more strategic in our approach to disciple formation.

We may have also created a spin-off podcast for Brenton & Beth about homesteading. Time will tell–check this one out!
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17/02/2025

Is it your “ministry”, or your “mission assignment”? Distinguishing this small, yet profound detail has made all the difference for our guest, Pastor Peter Henderson. In this episode, Peter shares how being a survivor of the Columbine thrust him into Pastoral Ministry as a teen–leading him to become a Senior Pastor in his 20’s, the wisdom gained from being a young leader in a healthy transition, and how his passion for being on mission together with Jesus creates a culture of integrated missiology.

Also, Peter doesn’t like to be poked, and many apologies are made. So give it a listen! withouthatingit.com

15/01/2025

We’re back! And for our first episode of Season Four we’re visited by Pastor and Non-Profit Leader, Jared Ballenger.

In this conversation Jared shares why the word “ministry” has always been spelled “w-o-r-k” (and how that’s not a negative thing), finding freedom on the other side of burnout and the incredible work of rescuing children from human trafficking that he gets to be a part of with Destiny Rescue. It’s a chill interview, so sit down with us!

Listen now at WithoutHatingIt.com or wherever you podcast from!

17/12/2024

At its core, experiencing pain simply means that something is off. And oftentimes, we think pain is bad. And sometimes it is. And sometimes it can be really useful.

In our Season 3 Finale, therapist and pastor, BrianJames McMahon, unpacks for us how being honest and lamenting his own pain changed everything for him–including stepping out of vocational ministry. It’s possible to not fear pain, wrestle with lament, and bravely face the possibility of leaving a ministry, with hope–and without hating it.

Listen now at WithoutHatingIt.com or wherever you get your podcasts!

05/12/2024

As ministry leaders, there are things about ministry that we hate, and that’s ok.

It only took us 37 episodes to get to that, but here we are for a conversation with pastor, professor, fellow podcaster and friend, Tim Lee. In this episode Tim gets reflective on his own recent journey of deconstructing what ministry is vs. what he’s always known, the truth that we are still not healthy after all that happened in 2020, and why apathy is actually the greatest threat to anything we do. It’s a real iron vs. iron conversation!

Listen to it now at WithoutHatingIt.com or wherever you get your podcasts!

16/10/2024

How do you keep the “why” of ministry at the forefront of your ministry? Sometimes it takes a healthy dose of perspective of another leader’s reality. This episode with NextGen Leaders, Zach & Caitlin Thomas, may be one of those moments.

In this interview they share how they’ve been able to see fruit in their inner city student ministries, the gospel burden every ministry leader should carry, and the importance of stepping back and saying, “But Look What God Did!” We also finally answer the debate of which city is actually the real “Little Chicago”.

Listen now at WithoutHatingIt.com or wherever you get your podcasts!

17/09/2024

How does a failed hunting trip transform the way you minister to others?

In this episode our guest, Pastor Marty Schminkey, pulls no punches in sharing how God has used moments like these to change the trajectory of his heart, and ultimately the way he leads others. With authenticity, Marty unpacks how he serves, loves and bleeds with others is directly tied to the level of which he practices presence with his Rabbi. We’re shootin’ straight with this one!

Listen now at withouthatingit.com or wherever you get your podcasts

15/08/2024

Do you ever feel unqualified, or under-equipped as a leader? Well good news, you're not alone!

In this episode Pastor and Church Planter, Nina Sims, shares with us how her motto of "Just Show Up" is a daily exercise in courage and confidence in the belief that God placing you in leadership was not an accident. And as you show up, God will too.

Listen to the episode now at withouthatingit.com or wherever you get your podcasts!

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