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I wrote and published my book 6 years ago and set up this page at that time.  I apologize for not visiting it often and ...
01/26/2020
Brushy Bill ...Just Another Billy the Kid Tall Tale?

I wrote and published my book 6 years ago and set up this page at that time. I apologize for not visiting it often and not responding to messages. I've kinda moved on with other projects in recent years. I have noticed that there have been quite a number of visits to the page, so I will leave it up for those that have found it interesting in some way.

Now ... anyone that would like to read the internet version of my book, you can read it free of charge. Just use this link.
http://tinyurl.com/m9665cu
If you have Adobe Flash 8.0 or above, it should work. I have noticed that it doesn't seem to work on Google Chrome though.

If you decide you would like a print copy of my book, you can mail me a $15 check to Roy Haws, 4013 County Road 1508, Jacksonville, TX 75766 or you can send it via PayPal to [email protected].

As far as discussions about the book, everything I know about the topic I put into the book, so I can be of no further help on that. As I said, I have moved on to other things for the remaining years of my life.

I'll just end with this ... my 1/2 great granduncle, Oliver Pleasant Roberts aka Brushy Bill Roberts WAS NOT Billy the Kid. He was born August 26, 1879 and was just shy of 2 years old when Billy was killed by Pat Garrett July 14, 1881.

...AND I do not wish to argue about it! The proof of all of it is in my book.

 

Update:  If you wish to purchase a new signed copy of my book, it is available on ebay for $16 with free shipping.  Use ...
04/10/2019
Brushy Bill ... Just Another Billy the Kid Tall Tale? (signed by author) 9780692226933 | eBay

Update: If you wish to purchase a new signed copy of my book, it is available on ebay for $16 with free shipping. Use this link:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/222118939794

It is a 156 page book that debunks the idea that the old man that died in 1950 was the historical Billy the Kid. The individual that went by the moniker of Brushy Bill Roberts was my half great-granduncle Oliver Pleasant Roberts who was born August 26, 1879 and was just shy of 2 years old when Pat G...

After my self-published book was picked up by the publisher, Sunstone Press, they created an order form for their versio...
08/23/2015

After my self-published book was picked up by the publisher, Sunstone Press, they created an order form for their version with altered title and a few minor differences. Although I still prefer my self-published version and market it, I thought I would post their information sheet. Although claimed to have international distribution and in many outlets, I will only receive quarterly reports, so I have no idea if any sizable quantity are being sold at this point.

07/20/2015

Nice surprise email from the Billy the Kid Museum in Ft Sumner, NM. It was a short email, but I was happy to receive it. It said:

>Could you please send us 1 more dozen Brushy Bill Books.

Thanks Tim Sweet

Billy the Kid Museum

One of my great friends, William Blankinship, just visited the Billy the Kid Museum in Fort Sumner, NM and snapped a pic...
06/23/2015

One of my great friends, William Blankinship, just visited the Billy the Kid Museum in Fort Sumner, NM and snapped a picture at the checkout. I was so happy to see my little book there at the checkout. Thanks William!

Although I sell printed copies of my book for $20, I do have an internet version available for you to read and ponder at...
05/21/2015
Brushy Bill ...Just Another Billy the Kid Tall Tale?

Although I sell printed copies of my book for $20, I do have an internet version available for you to read and ponder at no charge. Just click the following link and you will have the entire book to read. If you wish a printed copy, just mail $20 to Roy Haws, 4013 County Road 1508, Jacksonville, TX 75766 and I will send you one immediately upon receipt. Here's the link to my internet version! http://tinyurl.com/m9665cu

Not a large order, but it's the 2nd order from The Billy the Kid Museum in Fort Sumner, NM.  It was only for 6 more copi...
04/14/2015

Not a large order, but it's the 2nd order from The Billy the Kid Museum in Fort Sumner, NM. It was only for 6 more copies of my book, but I'm just happy that it is in stock in that historic location.

This was posted earlier, but thought I would put it back on top.  It is a review from well known historian, Marcelle Bro...
04/07/2015

This was posted earlier, but thought I would put it back on top. It is a review from well known historian, Marcelle Brothers, that has a great page on FB called About Billy the Kid. For those interested, it is a great page to visit. If you go there, be sure to click the "like button" in the header. For those interested in my book, please read her thorough review.

I have finished reading Roy Haws book, "Brushy Bill...Just Another Billy the Kid Tall Tale?"

Here's my review I had posted on Amazon:

"Anyone who has studied the history of William H. Bonney aka Billy the Kid, from amateur history enthusiasts to notable historians, we've all heard the Billy the Kid myths and conspiracy theories that range from slightly plausible to downright ridiculous. No other Billy the Kid myth has gotten as much attention and has deceived many people than the absurd notion that Billy the Kid’s death was a hoax and that he really lived to be an old man. The one man that laid the biggest claim to that conspiracy theory is Brushy Bill Roberts. Brushy’s claim was exposed to the general public in C.L. Sonnichsen and William Morrison’s book, “Alias Billy the Kid” (1955) and it snowballed from there."

"Thanks to the movie “Young Guns 2” (1990), it brought attention to Brushy Bill Roberts to a new generation that was so caught up in the Hollywood romanticized Billy the Kid that they couldn’t accept the truth of their hero getting killed. So with the seed planted, a slew of “Brushy Believers” began preaching their theories on websites, social media, books, television, and worse of all, a museum in Hico, Texas dedicated to raising awareness that Brushy Bill Roberts was indeed Billy the Kid. Even Brushy Bill’s headstone has an inscription “Billy the Kid” to further deceive the public that he was the famous New Mexico outlaw. I shudder to think how many tourists were easily fooled out of ignorance."

"The myth and lies of Brushy Bill Roberts has been the subject of heated debates for years and almost lead to the exhumations of graves for DNA testing, but that’s a topic for another debate. Anyways, no matter how much historical facts and just plain common sense proved otherwise, Brushy Believers stood firm and would counter with delusional theories that even exceeded the imagination of Brushy Bill himself."

"That may now come to an end."

"Roy Haws, author of “Brushy Bill…Just Another Billy the Kid Tall Tale,” has compiled enough evidence to discredit Brushy Bill Robert’s claims and finally put this debate to rest once and for all. What makes this book unique from other books out there discrediting Brushy Bill, is that Roy is the great-great nephew of Brushy Bill Roberts and therefore has access to family records, documentation, and testimony from family members. Along with Roy’s painstaking research and documentation of the genealogy and origin of Brushy Bill, he also debunks Brushy’s many claims, from his colorful stories to his outright lies. Roy counters and extinguishes every conspiracy theory put out by Brushy’s supporters. I don’t think even the staunchest Brushy Believer can refute the abundance of evidence in this book."

"Anyone with an open-mind who questions if Oliver Roberts alias Brushy Bill Roberts is Billy the Kid, must read this book. If you already know Brushy was a fraud, this is a good source to have in your collection to use as reference in your debates with Brushy Believers. Then again, if Brushy Believers still exists after this book then they truly are a lost cause and not worth the effort."

"Thank you Roy Haws for your hard work on debunking Brushy Bill Roberts."

04/03/2015

Nothing to celebrate real big in regard to my self-published book "Brushy Bill ... Just Another Billy the Kid Tall Tale?" ... but since book was put in stock at a number of retail outlets (primarily in New Mexico), I received my first reorder from one of them. The Billy the Kid Museum in Fort Sumner, NM sent me a reorder this morning. That's my first reorder, and I was very pleased to see that!

As I stated earlier, Sunstone Press picked up my book and their publisher version of my book should be out and available next week, this time with substantial distribution including overseas. Again, I have no great expectations but happy there is some interest in my Brushy Bill debunk book.

I was shocked to have such a great review by a noted Billy the Kid expert, Marcelle Brothers.  Thanks, Marcelle!
03/02/2015

I was shocked to have such a great review by a noted Billy the Kid expert, Marcelle Brothers. Thanks, Marcelle!

I have finished reading Roy Haws book, "Brushy Bill...Just Another Billy the Kid Tall Tale?"

Here's my review I had posted on Amazon:

"Anyone who has studied the history of William H. Bonney aka Billy the Kid, from amateur history enthusiasts to notable historians, we've all heard the Billy the Kid myths and conspiracy theories that range from slightly plausible to downright ridiculous. No other Billy the Kid myth has gotten as much attention and has deceived many people than the absurd notion that Billy the Kid’s death was a hoax and that he really lived to be an old man. The one man that laid the biggest claim to that conspiracy theory is Brushy Bill Roberts. Brushy’s claim was exposed to the general public in C.L. Sonnichsen and William Morrison’s book, “Alias Billy the Kid” (1955) and it snowballed from there."

"Thanks to the movie “Young Guns 2” (1990), it brought attention to Brushy Bill Roberts to a new generation that was so caught up in the Hollywood romanticized Billy the Kid that they couldn’t accept the truth of their hero getting killed. So with the seed planted, a slew of “Brushy Believers” began preaching their theories on websites, social media, books, television, and worse of all, a museum in Hico, Texas dedicated to raising awareness that Brushy Bill Roberts was indeed Billy the Kid. Even Brushy Bill’s headstone has an inscription “Billy the Kid” to further deceive the public that he was the famous New Mexico outlaw. I shudder to think how many tourists were easily fooled out of ignorance."

"The myth and lies of Brushy Bill Roberts has been the subject of heated debates for years and almost lead to the exhumations of graves for DNA testing, but that’s a topic for another debate. Anyways, no matter how much historical facts and just plain common sense proved otherwise, Brushy Believers stood firm and would counter with delusional theories that even exceeded the imagination of Brushy Bill himself."

"That may now come to an end."

"Roy Haws, author of “Brushy Bill…Just Another Billy the Kid Tall Tale,” has compiled enough evidence to discredit Brushy Bill Robert’s claims and finally put this debate to rest once and for all. What makes this book unique from other books out there discrediting Brushy Bill, is that Roy is the great-great nephew of Brushy Bill Roberts and therefore has access to family records, documentation, and testimony from family members. Along with Roy’s painstaking research and documentation of the genealogy and origin of Brushy Bill, he also debunks Brushy’s many claims, from his colorful stories to his outright lies. Roy counters and extinguishes every conspiracy theory put out by Brushy’s supporters. I don’t think even the staunchest Brushy Believer can refute the abundance of evidence in this book."

"Anyone with an open-mind who questions if Oliver Roberts alias Brushy Bill Roberts is Billy the Kid, must read this book. If you already know Brushy was a fraud, this is a good source to have in your collection to use as reference in your debates with Brushy Believers. Then again, if Brushy Believers still exists after this book then they truly are a lost cause and not worth the effort."

"Thank you Roy Haws for your hard work on debunking Brushy Bill Roberts."

02/25/2015

Well, it has been difficult, but as of this morning, I finally have gained approval to have my book listed on the Barnes & Noble website. Although my book is available through ebay and Alibris and in some retail outlets ... this was a welcome addition.

Should any of you be interested in taking a tour in Lincoln, NM with highly respected historian, Drew Gomber (a noted au...
01/30/2015

Should any of you be interested in taking a tour in Lincoln, NM with highly respected historian, Drew Gomber (a noted author and commentator on many of the Old West documentaries), I have some information for you that can be read from one of the pictures I have posted. Drew Gomber is considered a leading expert on anything involving gunslingers, especially the Billy the Kid topic.

If interested in scheduling a tour, you can email Drew at [email protected]

I would like to take this opportunity to thank those that have read my book and made positive comments.  This is my firs...
01/27/2015
Brushy Bill ... Just Another Billy the Kid Tall Tale?

I would like to take this opportunity to thank those that have read my book and made positive comments. This is my first (and likely only book writing experience) and it has been most enjoyable. I would, however, like to make a request to those of you that have an Amazon account. I would appreciate it greatly if you would take the time to give an honest review on Amazon with whatever star rating you believe pertinent. The following link (or just click the picture) will take you there .. just scroll down a bit til you see the area where it asks if you would like to "write a customer review." Thanks folks! http://amzn.to/144MVvK

I have for sale a 164 page NEW paperback book titled "Brushy Bill ... Just Another Billy the Kid Tall Tale?" written by author, Roy Haws, and published in November 2014. This is a book based on the individual known as Brushy Bill Roberts that claimed to be the historical Billy the Kid. ...

01/19/2015

A small update: In addition to my my announcement last week that my book will be in stock at the Carlsbad Museum & Art Center in Carlsbad, NM ... I received a stock order that I will ship tomorrow to the Billy the Kid Museum in Fort Sumner, NM. I'm really happy to have my book at this Fort Sumner location.

I'm re-posting this again in hopes that some might contribute a little to help out J. P. Garrett with his medical expens...
01/17/2015
Click here to support medical and related expenses by J.P. Garrett

I'm re-posting this again in hopes that some might contribute a little to help out J. P. Garrett with his medical expenses. For those that don't already know it, J. P. is the grandson of historical Pat Garrett. He is a key member of Old West discussions on various FB pages. He has an upcoming surgery at M D Anderson and needs help with his insurance deductible and living expenses until such time as he can return to work. Even small contributions will help a lot! If you can spare a few dollars, it would be appreciated greatly!
http://www.gofundme.com/j64ywk

OUR LIFE UPDATE; Well we went and saw my cancer doctor yesterday, the news was uplifting, the tumor has shrunk and I’m in good physical health for the surgery to remove my tumor. He felt the operation could be done locally with the surgeon I have and if not I could always get a second opinion. No...

01/16/2015

I picked up an additional retail outlet yesterday. My book will soon be in stock at the Carlsbad Museum & Art Center in Carlsbad, NM. It seems that New Mexico is starting to be good to me! I don't think one will find it anywhere around Hico, TX though. :-)

01/11/2015

I have a bit of good news to share in regard to my book. About 3 weeks ago, I sent a copy to Barnes & Noble for review. I just received a letter back from them that "after a careful review, the buyer for this category has decided to place an order for copies of Brushy Bill ... Just Another Billy the Kid Tall Tale?" They also said that they can't deal directly with me, so they gave me a list of wholesalers to contact that they will buy through. So, I gave the first one on the list the opportunity to wholesale it for me. I think I might get a response since there is an order waiting from Barnes & Noble. Anyway, I do believe it will soon be stocked to some extent by Barnes & Noble in the upcoming weeks.

The reprint of the 2nd edition by a "real" publisher should be out in the next month or so with a revised title. Supposedly, there will be international distribution. Again, I have no great expectations ... but this experience has at least been most interesting. My agreement with the publisher is that I can continue to market my original version as I see fit. Cheers!

12/16/2014

My book is now in stock at The Arrowsmith Store in Lincoln, NM and at Tee Pee Curios in Tucumcari, NM. There should be more in upcoming weeks.

Ok... for those of you that have not yet read my book, I have decided to give you a taste of a bit of content.  Here is ...
12/15/2014

Ok... for those of you that have not yet read my book, I have decided to give you a taste of a bit of content. Here is an excerpt from pages 43-45 of the chapter titled "What the Family Thought of Brushy." This excerpt primarily consists of a letter written in 1986 by my Uncle Paul Emerson to William A. Tunstill who penned the book "Billy the Kid and Me Were the Same" published in 1988. (pictured are my mother, Eulaine Haws, and my uncle, Paul Emerson.

Dear Mr. Tunstill:


I have read your letters and the articles you have sent my sister, Eulaine Haws, about Oliver (Brushy Bill) Roberts, who said he was Billy the Kid. You have certainly done a lot of research and worked hard and I find it very interesting and fascinating to say the least. I remember meeting Oliver Roberts, who was my grandmother's brother, not too long before my grandmother died. She was Martha Vada Roberts Heath and was my mother's mother. Oliver came to see her in Jacksonville, Texas, and I met him. He was a very "dikey" little man that paraded around in western clothes and cowboy boots, and said he was Billy the Kid. I wish I would have listened more carefully to what he had to say, spent more time in his presence, and got him to tell me some of his stories; but I was young and too busy, I guess.

To be honest, my grandmother did not believe he was Billy the Kid and did not have confidence in what he said. She thought it was in the imagination of his mind. I do not personally know.

I am enclosing a copy of the newspaper clipping about his death that I found in my mother's papers after her death. On the back is a note written by my aunt Cora Heath, Martha Roberts Heath's second oldest daughter. She said: "O. L. Roberts was my mother's brother. He was around 75 years of age when he died and he was not Billy the Kid." I feel sure she expressed the sentiment of my grandmother about the subject. If Oliver was really her cousin and not her brother as the theory goes, she did not know it, or ever tell it to any of the children. I lived next door to my grandmother for a number of years in her older days, and her mind was very sharp until the day of her death. She was a person that talked about her family and her children to everyone sparing nothing, but I never remember hearing her say or express at any time that Oliver was not her brother. She just discounted what he said as a "state of mind."

I called and talked to Uncle Tom Roberts' daughter, Geneva Pittmon of Canton, Texas tonight. There are several direct nieces and nephews of Oliver Roberts still living which would be a generation closer than my sister Eulaine and I. Geneva told me that a couple of years ago, a reporter from the Dallas News came down and took pictures, interviewed them and ran a big article in the papers about it. She remembered your name but just what connection or contact with you she had, she did not say.

Mr. Tunstill, I do not wish to deflate any effort on your part to prove that Oliver (Ollie) (Brushy Bill) Roberts was Billy the Kid, but she said emphatically, without doubt or question, maybe, or don't know ... that it was not so! She says they have documents, papers, etc., to prove it is not so. She says that Oliver lived with her family a number of years throughout her life as a girl growing up. She remembers him quite well, has pictures of him, and knows very much about him. So, in light of the fact that Uncle Tom Roberts' children knew him, it would be good and better to contact them for most all the information you need. They have the family records. I suppose the Bible and pictures, etc., of him.

I wish I could be of more help, but I only saw him once and know very little about him. I have three sons and they would like very much for him to be the real genuine Billy the Kid. It really does not matter to me either way, but I would want, as I am sure you want, only the truth known. I wouldn't want to claim something that was not true. If I remember correctly, Billy the Kid was supposedly killed in 1881, but Oliver was only two years old at the time, being born in 1879. How can you reconcile the big age difference, and when did he switch persons.

Tom was younger than Oliver and, of course knew his brother. When Oliver would be gone for a time or get sick, he would always call his brother Tom to come, and Tom would go and see about him, Geneva said. I am sure Tom would have known if it was not his own brother. Well, whatever, but just please do contact her and other members of her family that knew and remembered Oliver quite well. They can fill you in on a lot of fact. Ok?

With best personal regards from us, and a prayer that God will bless you, I am,

Sincerely yours,

Paul Emerson, grandson of Martha Vada Roberts Heath

As I understood my half uncle, Paul Emerson, and my mother, Eulaine Haws, no one in our family truly initially believed Brushy (Oliver Pleasant Roberts) was Billy the Kid. Unfortunately, my mother was convinced otherwise after provided fabricated genealogy by Mr. Tunstill. My family knew Brushy was the nickname Oliver used through much of his life. Substantial time was spent with him by various family members throughout his life.

As we know, it is not uncommon for a family to have a relative with a creative imagination telling tall tales filled with fantastical exaggeration. I believe our family just thought my maternal half great-granduncle, Brushy (Oliver Pleasant Roberts), was an entertaining storyteller. Without the aid of creative authors, I believe Brushy's stories would have remained as little more than family footnotes.

Although information from my family in regard to Brushy should have been sufficient enough to dispel anyone's belief he was Billy the Kid, Mr. Tunstill continued to plow on in his attempt to prove his impossible theory. This required genealogical fabrications, pseudo-history, false witness testimonials, and intentional exclusion of obvious falsehoods in Brushy's tall tale.

It appears Brushy concocted his Billy the Kid myth before leaving Gladewater, Texas in about 1942. After relocating to Hamilton County, Texas, living in either Hamilton, Texas or Hico, Texas during the remainder of his life, it appears he would readily tell of his imagined escapades to anyone who would listen.

Still not convinced Brushy was just a colorful storyteller? The next chapter will provide some insight into what local residents thought of Brushy and his fables. While reading, please keep in mind Brushy professed he hadn't told anyone he was Billy the Kid prior to his interviews with Morrison in 1949.

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please join my new group! open discussion on ANYTHING Billy the kid! i will be traveling to lincoln county in a few months and will be sharing alot of videos and photos in addition to the posts and photos on there now! looking foward to seeing your posts and comments! PALS
Howdy....quick question. Does anyone here know a re-enactor that portrays Brushy? I produce a web series called One Day Only and I would love to bring him back for one final interview. It would need to be someone with a lot of knowledge of his story...and of course, would need to look similar to him. Thanks...