09/24/2025
Brian Sauve and Eric Conn are pastors of Refuge Church in Ogden, Utah.
Both men are former disciples of Doug Wilson, with Eric Conn (the second to speak in this clip) a former CREC candidate who jumped ship.
There is so much wrong with this clip, but here are three of the most important:
1. No culture has a monopoly on godliness, nor are there any cultures who are "more sinful" than another, or more prone towards sin than others. There are cultures that *hide* sin better than others, but no culture is superior to another. Every culture has their proclivities and foibles, hopes and desires, fears and goals. White culture has enslaved every culture under the sun, just as every culture has their dark(er) histories. It also plays *heavily* into the "white savior complex," assuming white culture will save other cultures from their sin, because white culture is somewhow less corrupt than the others.
2. To accept the person, but not their culture, is to NOT ACCEPT THE PERSON. It's like saying "I want you, but not really you. I want only the parts I like and agree with, less so those I'm uncomfortable with, or that don't align with my cultural values." We are more comfortable within the cultures we grew up in, and that isn't a bad thing. It's human. But telling someone, "I'd like to hang out with you, but please leave what makes you, YOU, behind." It's surfacy, gross, and looks at people as a composition of parts and a project to work on, rather than a human to love.
3. A "Cretan" isn't an ethnicity, it's a geographical among the islands of Greece. Per Jeff Moss (guest on our series), Paul is quoting Epimenides, a Cretan, and if all Cretans were liars, why would Paul quote a Cretan calling all Cretans... liars?
There are no statistics available in this clip, and neither Brian Sauve nor Eric Conn have EVER been part of majority black cultural spaces. Not that that would give them room to speak, but it would color (pun intended) their experience with black people.
Jesus came for all cultures, and especially for those who don't think their culture is all that bad.