03/16/2026
Sullivan's Unheard Voices 140: Cathy Zheutlin
On this episode of Sullivan’s Unheard Voices, Shawn Sullivan sits down with filmmaker Cathy Zheutlin to explore what it really means to live fully while knowing we are going to die. Drawing on her documentary “Living While Dying,” Cathy reflects on how facing mortality with honesty can actually deepen our capacity for joy, connection, and authenticity in everyday life.
Throughout the conversation, Cathy shares stories from the film—four people living with terminal illness, her own family’s experience, and the cultures she visited—that reveal death as a natural, relational part of life rather than a medical failure or a taboo subject. Together, Shawn and Cathy talk about how open conversations, clear choices about care, and simple human presence can transform the end of life from an experience of isolation into one of community, dignity, and even moments of humor and grace.
The interview also delves into Cathy’s long history in women’s and le***an rights and how that activism shapes her approach to end-of-life storytelling. She recalls her work on le***an motherhood and custody in “In the Best Interests of the Children,” as well as her involvement in peace marches and women’s media collectives, and connects those movements to today’s struggles for bodily autonomy, q***r visibility, and the right to define one’s own death with support and respect.
Shawn and Cathy weave together themes of social justice and mortality, noting that supporting people at the end of life is inseparable from supporting their identities, relationships, and hard-won rights. They highlight how kindness, caregiving, and community rituals can be acts of resistance against systems that devalue vulnerable people, especially women, LGBTQ+ folks, elders, and the seriously ill.
By the end of the episode, the conversation becomes an invitation: to speak more openly about death, to stand up for women’s and q***r lives and loves, and to practice everyday acts of care so that no one has to approach their dying alone. In centering Cathy’s voice and experience, Sullivan’s Unheard Voices continues its mission of lifting up people and stories that are too often left out of the mainstream, especially at the most tender thresholds of life.