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IndoctriNation Podcast with Rachel Bernstein

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11/11/2025

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10/11/2025

(COMING WEDNESDAY) Carol Merchasin brings her deep legal experience to McAllister Olivarius, heading up cases involving sexual misconduct in religious, faith-based, and spiritual communities. As an investigator, she has worked to uncover sexual misconduct within the Shambhala International lineage of Buddhism, the Sivananda Yoga Vedanta Centers and is currently assisting other spiritual communities in bringing allegations of sexual misconduct to light. She has worked with survivors of abuse and misconduct across a number of global spiritual and religious movements and has extensive experience as both a litigator and an investigator.

08/11/2025

Dr. Natalie Fabert is an Associate Teaching Professor at Arizona State University. She teaches undergraduate and graduate courses in social psychology, clinical psychology, psychopathology, group dynamics (including the psychology of cults), addiction treatment, and professional issues in psychology.

She serves on the board of directors of the Lalich Center on Cults and Coercion, and has collaborated with Dr. Janja Lalich and the Lalich Center to develop an eight-hour, self-paced online Continuing Education training for mental health clinicians to help them to learn how to effectively work with survivors of cultic abuse and coercive control.

A licensed psychologist in Arizona, Dr. Fabert also maintains a part-time private practice, where she works with individual adults facing a range of mental health concerns, with a particular focus on trauma and abuse, including cultic abuse.

Natalie earned her M.Ed. in Counselor Education and Ph.D. in Counseling Psychology from Arizona State University, followed by a postdoctoral residency in psychology at the University of California, Davis.

Natalie is an avid coffee drinker who enjoys hiking in the desert and reading books with her 9-year-old.

06/11/2025

Dr. Natalie Fabert is an Associate Teaching Professor at Arizona State University. She teaches undergraduate and graduate courses in social psychology, clinical psychology, psychopathology, group dynamics (including the psychology of cults), addiction treatment, and professional issues in psychology.

She serves on the board of directors of Lalich Center on Cults and Coercion, and has collaborated with Dr. Janja Lalich and the Lalich Center to develop an eight-hour, self-paced online Continuing Education training for mental health clinicians to help them to learn how to effectively work with survivors of cultic abuse and coercive control.

A licensed psychologist in Arizona, Dr. Fabert also maintains a part-time private practice, where she works with individual adults facing a range of mental health concerns, with a particular focus on trauma and abuse, including cultic abuse.

Natalie earned her M.Ed. in Counselor Education and Ph.D. in Counseling Psychology from Arizona State University, followed by a postdoctoral residency in psychology at the University of California, Davis.

Natalie is an avid coffee drinker who enjoys hiking in the desert and reading books with her 9-year-old.

05/11/2025

The Complexity of Cult Recovery with Dr. Natalie Fabert

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/indoctrination/id1373939526?i=1000735404403

In this episode, host Rachel Bernstein talks with Dr. Natalie Fabert, an Associate Teaching Professor at Arizona State University and a licensed psychologist specializing in trauma and abuse, particularly cultic abuse. Natalie announces her collaboration with Dr. Janja Lalich and the Lalich Center on Cults and Coercion on an online continuing education course designed for mental health clinicians to effectively support survivors of cult abuse and coercive control. Throughout the episode, Natalie discusses her journey into this area, the complexity of trauma recovery, and the importance of trauma-informed approaches in therapeutic settings. Rachel and Natalie highlight the need for specialized training for therapists and the significance of understanding and addressing the unique challenges faced by survivors.

04/11/2025

Series 1, 'Living In Freedom,' is a comprehensive guide tailored for individuals who have previously experienced systems of control. Divided into three parts, the series offers insights and strategies for those who are now free from these systems:

Part 1 delves into the aftereffects and helps you anticipate what to expect after gaining/regaining your freedom.
Part 2 provides guidance on healing, surviving, and thriving in your newfound freedom.
Part 3 offers advice on sharing your experiences with others, explaining your journey, and finding the support you need to continue your path to a life of independence.

This lecture series and more are available for purchase at https://rachelbernsteintherapy.com/videos.html

03/11/2025

(COMING WEDNESDAY) Dr. Natalie Fabert is an Associate Teaching Professor at Arizona State University. She teaches undergraduate and graduate courses in social psychology, clinical psychology, psychopathology, group dynamics (including the psychology of cults), addiction treatment, and professional issues in psychology.

She serves on the board of directors of the Lalich Center on Cults and Coercion, and has collaborated with Dr. Janja Lalich and the Lalich Center to develop an eight-hour, self-paced online Continuing Education training for mental health clinicians to help them to learn how to effectively work with survivors of cultic abuse and coercive control.

A licensed psychologist in Arizona, Dr. Fabert also maintains a part-time private practice, where she works with individual adults facing a range of mental health concerns, with a particular focus on trauma and abuse, including cultic abuse.

Natalie earned her M.Ed. in Counselor Education and Ph.D. in Counseling Psychology from Arizona State University, followed by a postdoctoral residency in psychology at the University of California, Davis.

Natalie is an avid coffee drinker who enjoys hiking in the desert and reading books with her 9-year-old.

01/11/2025

Dr. Christine Cocchiola, DSW, LCSW is a recognized expert on the experiences of adult and child victims of coercive control. A college professor of social work, she earned her Doctorate in Clinical Social Work from New York University, where she was mentored by Dr. Evan Stark, a leading authority on coercive control. Dr. Cocchiola presents internationally on the dynamics of coercive control, educating professionals, advocates, and protective parents about the lived experiences of children and the most effective intervention strategies for both adult and child victims suffering abuse. A social justice advocate since the age of 19, she is the developer of The Protective Parenting Program, an evidence-based, attachment-focused therapeutic model designed for parents whose children have been harmed by abusive partners. A survivor and protective parent herself, Dr. Cocchiola is also the co-author of FRAMED: Women in the Family Court Underworld. Her TEDx talk, “It is ALL Coercive Control,” is available on YouTube.

31/10/2025

In this Patreon exclusive episode, Rachel Bernstein explores the psychological and social dynamics that unfold when a cult leader is attacked or faced with accusations. The episode covers the common defensive responses from followers, such as ad hominem attacks, increased group cohesion, and rationalization. Rachel explains the backfire effect, conspiracy theories, and the widespread emotional turmoil that often leads to trauma, cognitive dissonance, and social isolation among cult members. The narrative also touches upon the potential outcomes for cults during such crises, whether they dissolve, fracture, or continue under new leadership. Additionally, it underscores the importance of seeking justice against offending leaders to deter further harm.

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About the IndoctriNation Podcast

The show first premiered on SoundCloud in April 16, 2018, and we have grown your support through Patreon and YouTube. We continue to deliver a Wednesday-weekly podcast featuring guests that bravely share their experiences with controlling groups and manipulation. Rachel Bernstein, LMFT, offers advice on how to identify and protect yourself from a cult or narcissistic person.