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In the It's Never About Money podcast, host Joe Stephan interviews business owners who are pursuing

When it comes to success, there is a big difference between money and wealth. In It's Never About Money, host Joe Stephan interviews business owners who are pursuing deeper purpose and meaning in their life, rather than just chasing the dollar. Our guests put their values front-and-centre in business and are driven by making a positive impact in the world. Tune in to hear how their stories have un

folded and the key moments that got them there. Whether you are already pursuing meaning in your life or work, or wondering how the most successful are doing it, this podcast will encourage and inspire you to think differently, because It’s Never About Money. Joe Stephan is a Financial Planner with Stephan Independent Advisory, based in Melbourne, Australia: www.siadvisory.com.au

It’s Never About Money is powered by Stephan Independent Advisory: www.itsneveraboutmoney.com.au

23/02/2025

It’s funny how something someone said years ago can come back with so much added meaning later in life.

𝐃𝐚𝐫𝐨𝐧 𝐊 𝐑𝐨𝐛𝐞𝐫𝐭𝐬 is a highly reflective person, that’s for sure. In our conversation he reflected on a question that his father always used to ask him, “𝑊ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑔𝑎𝑚𝑒 𝑎𝑟𝑒 𝑦𝑜𝑢 𝑝𝑙𝑎𝑦𝑖𝑛𝑔?”

And although the question used to bug him, it’s a question that has led him on his career path from law student, to 𝐍𝐅𝐋 𝐜𝐨𝐚𝐜𝐡, to being named as a “Top 20 Global Speaker” in 2024.

𝐓𝐨 𝐡𝐞𝐚𝐫 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐟𝐮𝐥𝐥 𝐞𝐩𝐢𝐬𝐨𝐝𝐞, 𝐡𝐞𝐚𝐝 𝐭𝐨:

🍏 𝐀𝐩𝐩𝐥𝐞: https://linke.to/xtXzp3

🎧 𝐒𝐩𝐨𝐭𝐢𝐟𝐲: https://linke.to/54JSo

19/02/2025

“𝑊𝑒 𝑡𝑒𝑛𝑑 𝑡𝑜 𝑖𝑛𝑓𝑙𝑎𝑡𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑖𝑚𝑝𝑎𝑐𝑡 𝑜𝑓 𝑝𝑒𝑜𝑝𝑙𝑒 𝑤ℎ𝑜 𝑑𝑜𝑛’𝑡 𝑟𝑒𝑎𝑙𝑙𝑦 𝑐𝑎𝑟𝑒”

Have you ever thought about who the people are in your circle, and who the people are in your corner?

Don’t know what the difference is? Well, you’ll have to listen to the latest episode with 𝐃𝐚𝐫𝐨𝐧 𝐊. 𝐑𝐨𝐛𝐞𝐫𝐭𝐬. Daron is a former 𝐍𝐅𝐋 𝐜𝐨𝐚𝐜𝐡 and award-winning college professor. He is named as a “Top 20 Global Speaker” in 2024 and our conversation is definitely not to be missed.

𝐅𝐨𝐫 𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐞, 𝐥𝐢𝐬𝐭𝐞𝐧 𝐭𝐨 𝐄𝐩𝐢𝐬𝐨𝐝𝐞 𝟔𝟗 𝐨𝐟 𝐈𝐭’𝐬 𝐍𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐫 𝐀𝐛𝐨𝐮𝐭 𝐌𝐨𝐧𝐞𝐲:

🍏 𝐀𝐩𝐩𝐥𝐞: https://linke.to/xtXzp3

🎧 𝐒𝐩𝐨𝐭𝐢𝐟𝐲: https://linke.to/54JSo

17/02/2025

This week on 𝐈𝐭’𝐬 𝐍𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐫 𝐀𝐛𝐨𝐮𝐭 𝐌𝐨𝐧𝐞𝐲, I sit down with 𝐃𝐚𝐫𝐨𝐧 𝐊. 𝐑𝐨𝐛𝐞𝐫𝐭𝐬 - former 𝐍𝐅𝐋 𝐜𝐨𝐚𝐜𝐡, award-winning college professor, and one of 2024's "Top 20 Global Speakers." With clients ranging from professional sports teams to Fortune 100 companies, Daron has a wealth of wisdom to share.

Together, we dive into his incredible journey from law student to NFL coach, to university professor, author, and keynote speaker - just to name a few of his titles. Daron opens up about navigating major life transitions, the power of authentic support, and the importance of aligning your career with your passions. This conversation is full of insights on personal growth, meaningful connections, and finding purpose. Don't miss it!

𝐄𝐩𝐢𝐬𝐨𝐝𝐞 𝟔𝟗 𝐨𝐟 𝐈𝐭’𝐬 𝐍𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐫 𝐀𝐛𝐨𝐮𝐭 𝐌𝐨𝐧𝐞𝐲 𝐢𝐬 𝐧𝐨𝐰 𝐚𝐯𝐚𝐢𝐥𝐚𝐛𝐥𝐞 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐬𝐭𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐦𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐯𝐢𝐚:

🍏 𝐀𝐩𝐩𝐥𝐞: https://linke.to/xtXzp3

🎧 𝐒𝐩𝐨𝐭𝐢𝐟𝐲: https://linke.to/54JSo

12/02/2025

I am excited to announce that my next guest on 𝐈𝐭'𝐬 𝐍𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐫 𝐀𝐛𝐨𝐮𝐭 𝐌𝐨𝐧𝐞𝐲 is 𝐃𝐚𝐫𝐨𝐧 𝐊. 𝐑𝐨𝐛𝐞𝐫𝐭𝐬.

I will be talking to Daron all about his incredible journey from law student to 𝐍𝐅𝐋 𝐜𝐨𝐚𝐜𝐡, to university professor, author, and keynote speaker - just to name a few of his titles. Daron opens up about navigating major life transitions, the power of authentic support, and the importance of aligning your career with your passions..

Watch this space for more information!

09/02/2025

“𝐼𝑡 ℎ𝑎𝑑 𝑎𝑛 𝑒𝑥𝑡𝑟𝑎𝑜𝑟𝑑𝑖𝑛𝑎𝑟𝑦 𝑎𝑓𝑓𝑒𝑐𝑡 𝑜𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑘𝑖𝑑𝑠 𝑏𝑒𝑐𝑎𝑢𝑠𝑒 𝑖𝑡 𝑤𝑎𝑠 𝑓𝑢𝑙𝑙 𝑡𝑟𝑎𝑛𝑠𝑝𝑎𝑟𝑒𝑛𝑐𝑦”

On this week's episode of It’s Never About Money, 𝐏𝐡𝐢𝐥𝐢𝐩 𝐏𝐫𝐲𝐨𝐫, CEO of 𝐅𝐚𝐦𝐢𝐥𝐲 𝐁𝐮𝐬𝐢𝐧𝐞𝐬𝐬 𝐂𝐞𝐧𝐭𝐫𝐚l, shared a powerful story about family transparency.

He explained how a family council meeting where parents laid their wills on the table – literally – spurred open, honest conversations. This proactive approach helped the kids work together, avoid future conflicts, and thoughtfully manage their inheritance.

While not every family dynamic might involve laying their wills out on the table, Phil makes a great point: transparency can be an incredible tool for mediating conflict and fostering harmony.

𝐓𝐨 𝐡𝐞𝐚𝐫 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐟𝐮𝐥𝐥 𝐞𝐩𝐢𝐬𝐨𝐝𝐞, 𝐡𝐞𝐚𝐝 𝐭𝐨:

🍏 𝐀𝐩𝐩𝐥𝐞: https://linke.to/1Gu9c

🎧 𝐒𝐩𝐨𝐭𝐢𝐟𝐲: https://linke.to/LylOIp

05/02/2025

“𝐼 𝑑𝑜𝑛’𝑡 ℎ𝑒𝑎𝑟 𝑚𝑎𝑛𝑦 𝑝𝑎𝑟𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑠 𝑠𝑎𝑦𝑖𝑛𝑔, ‘𝐼 𝑤𝑎𝑛𝑡 𝑡𝑜 𝑟𝑒𝑎𝑙𝑙𝑦 𝑠𝑐𝑟𝑒𝑤 𝑚𝑦 𝑘𝑖𝑑𝑠 𝑢𝑝 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑚𝑦 𝑚𝑜𝑛𝑒𝑦.’”

Leaving money for your children should be a positive, but it often brings up challenges like perceptions of fairness, equality, and unresolved family dynamics.

In this week’s episode I had a fascinating chat with 𝐏𝐡𝐢𝐥𝐢𝐩 𝐏𝐫𝐲𝐨𝐫 – CEO and founder of 𝐅𝐚𝐦𝐢𝐥𝐲 𝐁𝐮𝐬𝐢𝐧𝐞𝐬𝐬 𝐂𝐞𝐧𝐭𝐫𝐚𝐥 – about the intersection of family and wealth, navigating fairness versus equality, and the importance of open, honest communication.

𝐅𝐨𝐫 𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐞, 𝐥𝐢𝐬𝐭𝐞𝐧 𝐭𝐨 𝐄𝐩𝐢𝐬𝐨𝐝𝐞 𝟔𝟖 𝐨𝐟 𝐈𝐭’𝐬 𝐍𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐫 𝐀𝐛𝐨𝐮𝐭 𝐌𝐨𝐧𝐞𝐲:

🍏 𝐀𝐩𝐩𝐥𝐞: https://linke.to/1Gu9c

🎧 𝐒𝐩𝐨𝐭𝐢𝐟𝐲: https://linke.to/LylOIp

03/02/2025

This week on 𝐈𝐭’𝐬 𝐍𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐫 𝐀𝐛𝐨𝐮𝐭 𝐌𝐨𝐧𝐞𝐲, I sat down with 𝐏𝐡𝐢𝐥𝐢𝐩 𝐏𝐫𝐲𝐨𝐫, CEO of 𝐅𝐚𝐦𝐢𝐥𝐲 𝐁𝐮𝐬𝐢𝐧𝐞𝐬𝐬 𝐂𝐞𝐧𝐭𝐫𝐚𝐥, to dive deep into the complexities of family dynamics and wealth.

We talked about the challenges of intergenerational succession, strategies for managing conflict, and how successful families use communication and values to thrive. Phil also shared incredible insights about balancing fairness, parenting with purpose, and leaving meaningful legacies.

Whether you’re a family business owner or just looking to strengthen your family ties, this is an episode for you!

𝐄𝐩𝐢𝐬𝐨𝐝𝐞 𝟔𝟖 𝐨𝐟 𝐈𝐭’𝐬 𝐍𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐫 𝐀𝐛𝐨𝐮𝐭 𝐌𝐨𝐧𝐞𝐲 𝐢𝐬 𝐧𝐨𝐰 𝐚𝐯𝐚𝐢𝐥𝐚𝐛𝐥𝐞 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐬𝐭𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐦𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐯𝐢𝐚:

🍏 𝐀𝐩𝐩𝐥𝐞: https://linke.to/1Gu9c

🎧 𝐒𝐩𝐨𝐭𝐢𝐟𝐲: https://linke.to/LylOIp

30/01/2025

I am excited to announce that my next guest on 𝐈𝐭'𝐬 𝐍𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐫 𝐀𝐛𝐨𝐮𝐭 𝐌𝐨𝐧𝐞𝐲 is 𝐏𝐡𝐢𝐥𝐢𝐩 𝐏𝐫𝐲𝐨𝐫.

I will be talking to Philip all about how family harmony and strong relationships are crucial to both business success and personal well-being. We explore themes like the interplay between money and family dynamics, the importance of fairness versus equality, and how to set foundations for meaningful legacies.

Watch this space for more information!

26/01/2025

“𝐼 𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑛𝑘 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑡𝑤𝑜 𝑜𝑣𝑒𝑟𝑤ℎ𝑒𝑙𝑚𝑖𝑛𝑔𝑙𝑦 𝑟𝑒𝑙𝑒𝑣𝑎𝑛𝑡 𝑙𝑒𝑎𝑑𝑒𝑟𝑠ℎ𝑖𝑝 𝑠𝑡𝑦𝑙𝑒𝑠 𝑓𝑜𝑟 𝑎 𝑐ℎ𝑎𝑖𝑟 𝑎𝑟𝑒 𝑠𝑒𝑟𝑣𝑎𝑛𝑡 𝑙𝑒𝑎𝑑𝑒𝑟 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑒𝑚𝑝𝑎𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑡𝑖𝑐 𝑣𝑖𝑠𝑖𝑜𝑛𝑎𝑟𝑦.”

𝐑𝐚𝐜𝐡𝐚𝐞𝐥 𝐌𝐜𝐋𝐞𝐧𝐧𝐚𝐧, CEO and Co-Founder of 𝐏𝐞𝐨𝐩𝐥𝐞 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐏𝐮𝐫𝐩𝐨𝐬𝐞, shares her insights into leadership in the not-for-profit sector, highlighting the vital role of the chair.

From balancing commercial viability with participant needs to fostering empathetic, purpose-driven leadership, our conversation is full of so much value.

𝐓𝐨 𝐡𝐞𝐚𝐫 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐟𝐮𝐥𝐥 𝐞𝐩𝐢𝐬𝐨𝐝𝐞, 𝐡𝐞𝐚𝐝 𝐭𝐨:

🍏 𝐀𝐩𝐩𝐥𝐞: https://linke.to/EGWfm

🎧 𝐒𝐩𝐨𝐭𝐢𝐟𝐲: https://linke.to/rmT6

# PeopleForPurpose

22/01/2025

“𝑁𝑜𝑏𝑜𝑑𝑦 𝑤𝑎𝑠 𝑠𝑖𝑡𝑡𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑎𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑛𝑒𝑥𝑢𝑠 𝑜𝑓 𝑣𝑒𝑟𝑦 ℎ𝑖𝑔ℎ 𝑙𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑙 𝑙𝑒𝑎𝑑𝑒𝑟𝑠 𝑠𝑝𝑒𝑐𝑖𝑓𝑖𝑐𝑎𝑙𝑙𝑦 𝑓𝑜𝑟 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑛𝑜𝑛𝑝𝑟𝑜𝑓𝑖𝑡 𝑠𝑒𝑐𝑡𝑜𝑟”

𝐑𝐚𝐜𝐡𝐚𝐞𝐥 𝐌𝐜𝐋𝐞𝐧𝐧𝐚𝐧, CEO and Co-Founder of 𝐏𝐞𝐨𝐩𝐥𝐞 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐏𝐮𝐫𝐩𝐨𝐬𝐞, explains how they bridge the gap between charities and exceptional talent.

By connecting leaders, helping them navigate the sector, and ensuring their impact is maximised, People for Purpose are driving incredible change in Australia’s non-profit landscape.

𝐅𝐨𝐫 𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐞, 𝐥𝐢𝐬𝐭𝐞𝐧 𝐭𝐨 𝐄𝐩𝐢𝐬𝐨𝐝𝐞 𝟔𝟕 𝐨𝐟 𝐈𝐭’𝐬 𝐍𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐫 𝐀𝐛𝐨𝐮𝐭 𝐌𝐨𝐧𝐞𝐲:

🍏 𝐀𝐩𝐩𝐥𝐞: https://linke.to/EGWfm

🎧 𝐒𝐩𝐨𝐭𝐢𝐟𝐲: https://linke.to/rmT6

# PeopleForPurpose

20/01/2025

I love it when we get to dive into the incredible work happening in the not-for-profit space, so I’m excited to share this conversation with 𝐑𝐚𝐜𝐡𝐚𝐞𝐥 𝐌𝐜𝐋𝐞𝐧𝐧𝐚𝐧!

Rachael is the 𝐂𝐄𝐎 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐜𝐨-𝐟𝐨𝐮𝐧𝐝𝐞𝐫 of 𝐏𝐞𝐨𝐩𝐥𝐞 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐏𝐮𝐫𝐩𝐨𝐬𝐞, who have spent over a decade championing leadership and governance in Australian charities. She’s also been instrumental in growing private philanthropy through her time as the founding CEO of Australian Philanthropic Services.

In this episode, we talked about her journey, the power of mentorship, and what it takes to create impactful organisations. Rachael also shared how she balances leading in social impact with being a mum to three kids and pursuing her MBA.

This is a fascinating conversation for anyone interested in leadership, philanthropy, or making a difference!

𝐄𝐩𝐢𝐬𝐨𝐝𝐞 𝟔𝟕 of 𝐈𝐭’𝐬 𝐍𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐫 𝐀𝐛𝐨𝐮𝐭 𝐌𝐨𝐧𝐞𝐲 is now available for streaming via:

🍏 𝐀𝐩𝐩𝐥𝐞: https://linke.to/EGWfm

🎧 𝐒𝐩𝐨𝐭𝐢𝐟𝐲: https://linke.to/rmT6

# PeopleForPurpose

15/01/2025

I am excited to announce that my next guest on 𝐈𝐭'𝐬 𝐍𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐫 𝐀𝐛𝐨𝐮𝐭 𝐌𝐨𝐧𝐞𝐲 is 𝐑𝐚𝐜𝐡𝐚𝐞𝐥 𝐌𝐜𝐋𝐞𝐧𝐧𝐚𝐧.

I will be talking to Rachael all about her inspiring journey into philanthropy, her experiences as the founding CEO of Australian Philanthropic Services, and her insights on how strong leadership can transform charitable organisations. We delve into the significance of governance, the role of mentorship in empowering young people, and the growth of private philanthropy in Australia.

Watch this space for more information!

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