
07/22/2025
Former President Barack Obama suggested during an appearance on his wife's podcast earlier this week that men need gay friends to learn "empathy and kindness" while preparing for potentially fathering a son who identifies as gay or non-binary.
Appearing during an episode of "IMO," a podcast hosted by former first lady Michelle Obama and her brother, Craig Robinson, the former president discussed with the two how best to raise boys.
At one point during their hour-long discussion, Barack Obama — who noted he was raised by a single mother — suggested that boys need male figures in their lives other than their fathers to provide perspective, and then immediately pivoted to explain the influence one of his gay professors at Occidental College had on him.
"No matter how good the dad is, he can't be everything, and then that boy may need somebody to give the boy some perspective on the dad," Obama said.
"One of the most valuable things I learned as as a guy was I had a gay professor in college, at a time when the gay folks still weren't out, who became one of my favorite professors and was a great guy and would call me out when I started saying stuff that was ignorant."
Stories have emerged in recent years suggesting the former president may have homosexual inclinations, such as a 2023 story from the New York Post, which obtained an unreacted 1982 letter Obama wrote to his ex-girlfriend, Alex McNear.
In the letter, he claimed to have an "androgynous" mind and admitted to "mak[ing] love to men daily, but in the imagination," according to the outlet.
"In regard to homosexuality, I must say that I believe this is an attempt to remove oneself from the present, a refusal perhaps to perpetuate the endless farce of earthly life. You see, I make love to men daily, but in the imagination," a 21-year-old Obama reportedly wrote more than 40 years ago.
The former president's appearance on his wife's podcast comes amid speculation that their marriage is experiencing tension, especially given Michelle Obama's unwillingness to accompany her husband to either President Donald Trump's inauguration or former President Jimmy Carter's funeral in January.
Last month, Michelle Obama made headlines when she said on her podcast that she was glad she never had a boy because he would have been like her husband.
Toward the end of the episode that aired June 18, Obama bristled when radio host and guest Angie Martinez suggested she should have had a son in addition to their two daughters, Sasha and Malia.
“You should’ve threw [sic] a boy in the mix,” Martinez said to Obama, prompting her to respond, “I’m so glad I didn’t have a boy.”
“Because he would’ve been a Barack Obama,” she added.
“Baby Barack — it would’ve been amazing!” Martinez said, but Obama cut in, “Ooh, no, I would’ve felt for him.”
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