Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing

Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing That’s Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing.

What if you could learn from experienced real estate investors, find out what got them to where they are now, get insight into their daily habits, and take these insights to inspire your own growth?

Next week on Zen and the Art of Real Estate InvestingNew episode drops:Ep. 285 - Creating and Understanding Your Short-T...
10/11/2025

Next week on Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing

New episode drops:

Ep. 285 - Creating and Understanding Your Short-Term Rental Buy Box with John Bianchi (second time on the show)

Ep. 286 - Calculated Risk and Upsized Returns in Self Storage with Neil Henderson

Recording with:

Gino Barbaro (second time on the show)
Kevin Bupp

Diverse Opportunities With Funds and Syndications For Long-Term Growth with Mike Zlotnik  Episode 284 of Zen and the Art...
10/09/2025

Diverse Opportunities With Funds and Syndications For Long-Term Growth with Mike Zlotnik

Episode 284 of Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing is out everywhere you listen to podcasts!

Listen → https://zenandtheartofrealestateinvesting.com/podcast/284/

In today’s episode of Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing, Jonathan welcomes Mike Zlotnik, a real estate fund manager and the CEO of TF Management Group, who is widely known in the real estate investing community as “Big Mike.” With over two decades of experience in finance, technology, and real estate, Mike offers a clear and structured approach to helping investors understand how to diversify their portfolios, manage risk, and build long-term wealth through funds and syndications.

Jonathan and Mike begin by discussing the fundamentals of how funds differ from single syndications and why investors might choose one vehicle over the other. Mike explains how funds offer built-in diversification across asset classes and geographies, while syndications allow investors to be more selective with specific deals. He emphasizes the importance of understanding an operator’s track record, the alignment of incentives, and the mechanics of preferred returns when evaluating any investment.

The conversation moves into the role of debt, interest rate cycles, and how professional managers mitigate risks in uncertain economic environments. Mike provides real-world examples of how funds structure distributions, manage cash flow, and use conservative underwriting to protect investors’ capital. He also emphasizes the importance of tax efficiency, particularly in relation to depreciation and its impact on an investor’s overall returns.

For listeners looking to grow their real estate portfolios, Mike highlights the strategic advantage of investing through funds that allow participation in multiple projects at once. He also explains how smaller investors can still access institutional-quality deals by leveraging fund structures managed by experienced operators. Throughout the episode, Jonathan pushes Mike to translate technical details into actionable takeaways that any investor can apply, making this conversation both approachable and highly informative.

By the end of this discussion, listeners will come away with a stronger understanding of how to evaluate funds and syndications, the critical role of trust and alignment with operators, and the importance of long-term strategy in real estate investing.

Aligned Incentives In Vetted Multifamily Real Estate with Axel Ragnarsson  Episode 283 of Zen and the Art of Real Estate...
10/06/2025

Aligned Incentives In Vetted Multifamily Real Estate with Axel Ragnarsson

Episode 283 of Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing is out everywhere you listen to podcasts!

Listen → https://zenandtheartofrealestateinvesting.com/podcast/283/

In this episode of Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing, Jonathan welcomes Axel Ragnarsson, Founder and Managing Partner of Aligned Real Estate Partners.

Axel began his entrepreneurial journey by flipping cars in college, which eventually led him to real estate. Over the years, he built a personal portfolio of multifamily properties before expanding into syndication and capital raising. His focus is on acquiring Class B and C value-add multifamily properties, primarily in New Hampshire, with an emphasis on building lasting relationships and structuring deals that align incentives between operators and investors.

Jonathan and Axel discuss the differences between transactional and relationship-driven investing, the challenges of scaling from small multifamily projects to larger ones, and why patience and consistency matter more than chasing exponential growth. Axel also explains how direct-to-seller strategies in multifamily differ from single-family approaches, how sellers often value ease and trust as much as price, and why creative deal structures can open doors that brokered deals never could. Their conversation underscores the importance of transparency, credibility, and long-term thinking in both acquisitions and raising capital from investors.

If you’re interested in understanding how to grow a multifamily portfolio the right way —through relationships, alignment, and steady growth —this episode provides a roadmap for approaching real estate with integrity and strategy.

Next week on Zen and the Art of Real Estate InvestingNew episode drops:Ep. 283 - Aligned Incentives In Vetted Multifamil...
10/04/2025

Next week on Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing

New episode drops:

Ep. 283 - Aligned Incentives In Vetted Multifamily Real Estate with Axel Ragnarsson

Ep. 284 - Diverse Opportunities With Funds and Syndications For Long-Term Growth with Mike Zlotnik

Recording new episodes with:

Chris Grenzig
Mackenzie Grate

Building Strategic Partnerships in Commercial Real Estate Investments with John Azar  Episode 282 of Zen and the Art of ...
10/02/2025

Building Strategic Partnerships in Commercial Real Estate Investments with John Azar

Episode 282 of Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing is out everywhere you listen to podcasts!

Listen → https://zenandtheartofrealestateinvesting.com/podcast/282/

In this episode of Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing, Jonathan Greene speaks with John Azar of Peak 15 Capital about the power of strategic partnerships in commercial real estate. John shares his experience in structuring co-GP deals, managing multifamily funds, and creating opportunities that enable investors to scale their portfolios while minimizing operational involvement. He emphasizes the importance of selecting the right partner, practicing conservative underwriting, and leveraging expertise to optimize long-term returns.

John and Jonathan explore the benefits of fund investments versus individual syndications. John explains how a diversified “bin” of assets, such as multifamily properties, industrial properties, and car washes, provides stability, access to multiple cash flow streams, and peace of mind for investors seeking smart, passive income. They also discuss how fund structures offer investors tangible exposure to real estate assets while minimizing the need for active property management.

The conversation highlights the tangible nature of real estate compared to stocks or bonds. Investors can visit properties, evaluate assets in person, and see the land and buildings they’re backing. This hands-on approach enables investors to make informed decisions, understand the true value of the assets, and trust their operators to execute effectively.

Both Jonathan and John stress how real estate provides optionality and flexibility, making it a unique asset class for long-term wealth building.
When evaluating deals, John emphasizes the importance of both people and numbers. Peak 15 Capital adopts a conservative underwriting approach, carefully analyzing rent growth, cap rates, and funding plans to avoid overly optimistic assumptions. John also notes the role of intuition and in-person meetings when selecting partners, advising investors to pass on deals that don’t feel right, even if the projected returns appear attractive.

Finally, John introduces Peak 15 Capital’s multifamily accelerator course, which guides investors through every stage of multifamily investing, from identification and acquisition to management and disposition. The course blends Mom-and-Pop fundraising strategies with institutional-level insights, preparing investors to grow in the multifamily sector and scale their portfolios strategically.

Securing Your New Life Abroad Using Expat Money with Mikkel Thorup  Episode 281 of Zen and the Art of Real Estate Invest...
09/29/2025

Securing Your New Life Abroad Using Expat Money with Mikkel Thorup

Episode 281 of Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing is out everywhere you listen to podcasts!

Listen → https://zenandtheartofrealestateinvesting.com/podcast/281/

In this episode of Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing, Jonathan welcomes Mikkel Thorup, founder and CEO of Expat Money, a consultancy helping clients navigate second residencies, international investments, and asset diversification. Known as one of the world’s most sought-after expat consultants, Mikkel has lived in nine countries over 25 years and built a portfolio of properties across ten nations. His work focuses on mitigating tax liabilities, creating Plan B options through residency and citizenship, and guiding investors toward secure and profitable opportunities abroad.

Jonathan and Mikkel explore how global real estate investing intersects with lifestyle choices, risk mitigation, and long-term legacy planning. Mikkel shares how his early exposure to real estate through his family shaped his investment philosophy, why he avoids debt-heavy strategies, and how he structures group deals to reduce developer risk. He also breaks down the benefits of international diversification, not just in geography, but also in currencies, timelines, and property types.

The conversation extends beyond investment mechanics to the lifestyle and generational advantages of expat living, including multi-citizenship for children, cultural exposure, and community building. Mikkel emphasizes the importance of boots-on-the-ground research, building trust with developers and governments, and striking a balance between adventure and security.

This episode provides a roadmap for investors who want to align real estate with global mobility, family resilience, and financial independence.

Next week on Zen and the Art of Real Estate InvestingNew episode drops:Ep. 281 - Securing Your New Life Abroad Using Exp...
09/28/2025

Next week on Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing

New episode drops:

Ep. 281 - Securing Your New Life Abroad Using Expat Money with Mikkel Thorup

Ep. 282 - Building Strategic Partnerships in Commercial Real Estate Investments with John Azar

Recording new episodes with:

Scott Lurie
Ari Rastegar

How Real Estate Investing Can Change Communities with Joe Killinger  Episode 280 of Zen and the Art of Real Estate Inves...
09/25/2025

How Real Estate Investing Can Change Communities with Joe Killinger

Episode 280 of Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing is out everywhere you listen to podcasts!

Listen → https://zenandtheartofrealestateinvesting.com/podcast/280/

Real estate isn’t just about properties and profits. It’s also about the communities shaped by every investment.

In this episode of Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing, Jonathan welcomes seasoned investor, broker, and entrepreneur Joe Killinger. With more than 30 years of experience spanning auctions, multifamily, single-tenant net leases, and commercial brokerage, Joe shares how his career progressed from cold calling foreclosure properties to developing programs that revitalized neighborhoods.

Joe reflects on his early lessons from the auction world, the value of boots-on-the-ground research, and how thorough due diligence separates winning deals from costly mistakes. He also highlights an innovative program that placed teachers in apartment buildings, providing kids with tutoring while improving retention and reducing property damage. Today, he continues to shape communities through Commercial Brokers International and Icon Capital Advisors while raising a fund dedicated to single-tenant net lease investments.

For investors at every level, Joe’s journey shows how financial success and community impact can grow together.

Unlocking Value In Industrial Outdoor Storage with Blake Rodgers Episode 279 of Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing...
09/22/2025

Unlocking Value In Industrial Outdoor Storage with Blake Rodgers

Episode 279 of Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing is out everywhere you listen to podcasts!

Listen → https://zenandtheartofrealestateinvesting.com/podcast/279/

In this episode of Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing, Jonathan welcomes Blake Rodgers, co-founder and principal at Steel Peak. Blake specializes in industrial outdoor storage (IOS).
This niche asset class includes contractor yards, equipment rental facilities, and bulk material sites across the Western U.S. He shares how his early experiences in real estate shaped his career, why IOS presents such a compelling opportunity, and how his firm is building a portfolio designed for long-term value.

Blake’s journey from college football player to commercial broker and eventually principal investor highlights the power of mentorship, networking, and staying focused on a specific buy box. He explains how Steel Peak sources deals, why mom-and-pop owners often present the best opportunities, and how value is created through repositioning and leasing to long-term, sticky tenants. Jonathan and Blake also discuss the importance of partnerships, capital strategies, and building credibility with brokers in a specialized market.

If you’ve ever wondered about the potential of IOS properties or how niching down can accelerate growth, this conversation will give you a look at a less familiar but highly scalable investment path.

Learning How To Buy Cash-Flowing Self-Storage Facilities with Bree Hartman Episode 278 of Zen and the Art of Real Estate...
09/18/2025

Learning How To Buy Cash-Flowing Self-Storage Facilities with Bree Hartman

Episode 278 of Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing is out everywhere you listen to podcasts!

Listen → https://zenandtheartofrealestateinvesting.com/podcast/278/

In this episode of Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing, Jonathan welcomes Bree Hartman, a former gym owner turned commercial real estate investor and the founder of Self Storage School. Bree shares how she shifted from running gyms to building a portfolio of self-storage facilities, and how this asset class can create time freedom, financial independence, and long-term cash flow.

She explains why self-storage is recession-resilient, how to find deals through simple tools like Google Maps, and why automation is transforming the way these facilities operate. Bree also breaks down how seller financing can make acquisitions more accessible, especially with mom-and-pop owners who represent a large share of the industry. From her first $3.1 million deal bought while pregnant to the systems she now teaches her students, Bree shows why self-storage can be an attractive path for investors seeking fewer headaches than traditional residential rentals.

Whether you’re an active investor, someone burned out on residential rentals, or just curious about alternative commercial assets, this episode offers a blueprint for building cash-flowing self-storage businesses.l

How Multifamily Real Estate Creates Lifetime Cash Flow with Rod Khleif Episode 277 of Zen and the Art of Real Estate Inv...
09/15/2025

How Multifamily Real Estate Creates Lifetime Cash Flow with Rod Khleif

Episode 277 of Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing is out everywhere you listen to podcasts!

Listen → https://zenandtheartofrealestateinvesting.com/podcast/277/

Multifamily real estate has long been one of the most powerful vehicles for creating generational wealth and consistent cash flow.

In this episode of Zen and the Art of Real Estate Investing, Jonathan welcomes Rod Khleif, entrepreneur, real estate investor, author, philanthropist, and host of the Lifetime Cash Flow Through Real Estate Investing podcast. Rod has owned thousands of multifamily units and guided his students to acquire more than 260,000 units. His perspective combines real-world investing experience with mindset mastery, making this conversation an essential listen for anyone serious about building lasting wealth in real estate.

Rod shares his journey from immigrating to the U.S. as a child and watching his mother succeed in real estate, to building and losing a $50 million portfolio during the 2008 crash, and ultimately regaining his footing. His emphasis on goal setting, mindset, and surrounding yourself with the right peer group reveals how resilience and determination can drive extraordinary success. Jonathan and Rod also examine the current multifamily market, highlighting both challenges and the opportunities ahead for disciplined investors.

Whether you’re just starting or seeking to scale, Rod’s story and strategies show why multifamily remains a cornerstone of wealth-building and how cultivating the right mindset can change everything.

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