09/13/2025
I stumbled upon this post and found it fascinating. I had no idea these 767s flew with a Flight Engineer.
The Boeing 767 Flight Engineer.
The first 30 Boeing 767 aircraft were initially equipped with a Flight Engineer station.
Ansett Airlines operated the aircraft with a three-crew cockpit. Ansett was the only airline in the world to have operated with a Flight Engineer station on the flight deck.
Conventional wisdom is that the Boeing 767 was designed for two crew operations and that the Australian airline’s unions demanded the Flight Engineer. The story is a little more complex than that.
When the Boeing 767 was being designed in the 1970s, short-haul aircraft such as the Boeing 737, Douglas DC-9 and BAC One-Eleven featured two crew members. Wide-body aircraft, such as the Boeing 747, Lockheed L-1011 TriStar, and Douglas DC-10, all continued to have three pilots up front.
At the time, the Boeing 757 and Boeing 767 were being designed together. Being a narrowbody, the Boeing 757 had a two-crew cockpit, and the widebody 767 ended up with three for various reasons, despite Boeing wanting it to be two.
The FAA finally granted permission in late July 1981 for the Boeing 767 to have two pilots, which was around 11 months before the scheduled first delivery.
At that time, 30 aircraft were in various stages of production with the original cockpits. Some were close to being rolled out, others were completed and not tested, and others were bare.
According to “Boeing 767: From Concept to Production” by David A. Garvin, Lee C. Field, and Janet Simpson in the Harvard Business Review, Dean Thornton, the Boeing 767 Vice-President and General Manager, decided that the first 30 would be completed with the original cockpits and then modified to the new two crew design prior to delivery.
All the airlines (United, Delta, American, TWA, Air Canada, and China Airlines) accepted this except Ansett.
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