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The Second Studio is a design and architecture podcast by architects David Lee & Marina Bourderonnet.

The Second Studio show features interviews with creative professionals; guides for designers, architects, and clients; design reviews; and casual conversations about everyday life. Honesty and humor are used to cover challenging subjects in long-form discussions. It is hosted by FAME Architecture and Design Founders David Bruce Lee and Marina Bourderonnet. The Second Studio is available for free o

n iTunes, YouTube, Spotify, and all other Podcast directories. EPISODE CATEGORIES

• GUEST INTERVIEWS: Interviews with industry leaders.
• PROJECT COMPANION: Guides for clients and architecture enthusiasts.
• FELLOW DESIGNER: Tips and strategies for designers and architects.
• AFTER HOURS: Casual conversations after office hours about life and design.
• DESIGN REVIEW: Reviews of buildings, spaces, and other creative projects.

28/11/2025

Construction cost per square foot is misleading? 😵‍💫

David and Marina of highlights a common oversight that clients have when using construction cost per square foot as a metric to compare contractor costs.

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From Episode #470 - Pacific Palisades Fire Rebuild Updates

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27/11/2025

Guest work! Images of amazing architecture projects by Fearon Hay

Check out Episode #476 for our interview with Tim Hay, Co-Founder of Fearon Hay.

1-2 - Coastal House, photography by Simon Wilson
3 - Te Arai Beach House, photography by Simon Wilson
4 - Matagouri, photography by Simon Wilson
5 - Imperial
6 - Rose Bay, photography by Simon Wilson
7-8 - Paloma, photography by Rory Gardiner
9 - Fabric Warehouse, photography by Michelle Weir
10 - ERD Seoul

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26/11/2025

Value engineering vs editing 🔪

David and Marina of discuss the difference between value engineering and editing in the design process in terms of how it affects the architecture,.

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From Episode #465 - The Architect as Editor

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26/11/2025

#476 - This week David and Marina of FAME Architecture & Design are joined by Tim Hay, co-founder of Fearon Hay . The three discussed the visibility of architecture ideas & process, realities of achieving architecture design, the business of architecture practice, architecture community helping young architects, Fearon Hay studio size and operations, local vs international projects, client relationships, working on different project types, architects in public policy and development, what Tim would do instead of architecture, his favorite building, and more.

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24/11/2025

Successful architects have diverse experience! ☝️

David and Marina of share their observation that interesting and sucessful architects background tend to have a diverse experience in life.

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From Episode #453 - Balancing Hobbies & Architecture

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22/11/2025

THE definition of 'concept' 💭

In our interview with Lance Herbst, Founder and Partner of Herbst Architects Ltd , he discuss the definition of design concept to him.

From Episode #468 - Lance Herbst, Founder and Partner of Herbst Architects Ltd

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21/11/2025

How to know who to trust? 🤔

David and Marina of share some advice for first time clients who are struggling to know who to trust as a source of information.

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From Episode #470 - Pacific Palisades Fire Rebuild Updates

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20/11/2025

Quote by Noah Walker , President and owner of , sharing his perspective on the design process and how it's often not a direct path to the solution.

What do you think? Let us know in the comments 👇👇👇

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19/11/2025

Conceptual thinking vs problem solving mode ☝️

In our interview with Lance Herbst, Founder and Partner of Herbst Architects Ltd , he shares his approach to ensuring the conceptual thinking aspect of a project is not overwhelmed by the problem solving side of architecture.

From Episode #468 - Lance Herbst, Founder and Partner of Herbst Architects Ltd

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17/11/2025

The Shift House living room design 🛋️

David and Marina of discuss the design thinking behind the living room of the Shift House to elevate the space.

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From Episode #457 - The Shift House: A Pre-Designed Pacific Palisades Fire-Rebuild Home

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15/11/2025

Start simple & add complexity later 🍰

David and Marina of discuss why it's a good idea to start a project with a simple, key concept and layer on complexity later.

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From Episode #465 - The Architect as Editor

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15/11/2025

Clients, don't mix & match services! 🙂‍↔️

David and Marina of explain why it's often not a good idea to mix and match services of the same category in a project.

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From Episode #470 - Pacific Palisades Fire Rebuild Updates

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The Midnight Charette is an explicit podcast about design and the everyday. It is hosted by Architects David Lee and Marina Bourderonnet and features renowned designers as guests.